Comments on: Saturday Stakes – Giving Peace Chant A Chance http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html We're Betting on Horse Racing Fri, 03 Feb 2012 05:48:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Steve http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1145 Steve Thu, 18 Feb 2010 03:27:28 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1145 AmCap, I watched the replay and saw the stumble so maybe that was a factor. He definitely looked to be going faster that Julien wanted in the early going. Good points regarding Peace Chant. Graded stakes are clearly outside his ability right now & maybe forever. I thought a fast dirt track would provide some betting value underneath Munnings & I liked the confidence the connections were showing. The confidence turned out to be wishful thinking. If he's going to continue racing, they need to get him an allowance win to get his confidence back before trying stakes. Right now he's out-matched in G1/G2 fields no matter the surface. AmCap,
I watched the replay and saw the stumble so maybe that was a factor. He definitely looked to be going faster that Julien wanted in the early going.

Good points regarding Peace Chant. Graded stakes are clearly outside his ability right now & maybe forever. I thought a fast dirt track would provide some betting value underneath Munnings & I liked the confidence the connections were showing. The confidence turned out to be wishful thinking. If he’s going to continue racing, they need to get him an allowance win to get his confidence back before trying stakes. Right now he’s out-matched in G1/G2 fields no matter the surface.

]]> By: Amateurcapper http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1133 Amateurcapper Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:06:48 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1133 Steve, T_K_S, and gib, I'm not sure you saw it, but AMERICAN LION stumbled pretty bad at the start of the Lewis which got him into the bit earlier than Leparoux and Harty would have wanted. Of the favs, he's got the best chance to stay a route...that is if this stumble didn't cause an injury. CARACORTADO is the real deal, at least at middle distances and could be more of a MARIA'S MON than a CAT DREAMS. IMHO, he'd be even better on a traditional dirt track where his speed would carry him farther. One thing I agree wholeheartedly with, five horse fields give no indication about Derby potential. Brian, MUNNINGS did his thing. Steve, Stop chasing PEACE CHANT...7y.o. has lost too many steps in graded stakes and is destined for the breeding shed...where I don't know but a SW, GSP horse out of SAFELY KEPT, by WAR CHANT must have some value somewhere. This is a classic example of a potentially brilliant colt who did not realize his potential because of the synthetic mandate. Get ready for another rain out this weekend at Santa Anita...raindrops scheduled Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Steve, T_K_S, and gib,

I’m not sure you saw it, but AMERICAN LION stumbled pretty bad at the start of the Lewis which got him into the bit earlier than Leparoux and Harty would have wanted. Of the favs, he’s got the best chance to stay a route…that is if this stumble didn’t cause an injury.

CARACORTADO is the real deal, at least at middle distances and could be more of a MARIA’S MON than a CAT DREAMS. IMHO, he’d be even better on a traditional dirt track where his speed would carry him farther.

One thing I agree wholeheartedly with, five horse fields give no indication about Derby potential.

Brian,

MUNNINGS did his thing.

Steve,

Stop chasing PEACE CHANT…7y.o. has lost too many steps in graded stakes and is destined for the breeding shed…where I don’t know but a SW, GSP horse out of SAFELY KEPT, by WAR CHANT must have some value somewhere. This is a classic example of a potentially brilliant colt who did not realize his potential because of the synthetic mandate.

Get ready for another rain out this weekend at Santa Anita…raindrops scheduled Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

]]> By: Steve http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1099 Steve Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:12:32 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1099 TKS, gib, In the Lewis, it looked like neither Tiz Chrome nor American Lion were relaxed on the lead. They ran like it was one-turn sprint despite the jocks' attempts to rein them in. Caracortado ran much easier in 3rd and waited for the leaders to tire. if American Lion learns to rate, he could be a viable Derby runner. But I totally agree with both of you, a 5-horse race on Pro-ride proves nothing, G2 or not. TKS, gib,
In the Lewis, it looked like neither Tiz Chrome nor American Lion were relaxed on the lead. They ran like it was one-turn sprint despite the jocks’ attempts to rein them in. Caracortado ran much easier in 3rd and waited for the leaders to tire. if American Lion learns to rate, he could be a viable Derby runner. But I totally agree with both of you, a 5-horse race on Pro-ride proves nothing, G2 or not.

]]> By: gib http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1097 gib Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:24:21 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1097 I ditto TKS' recent comment. Your pre-race analysis included, "Caracortado’s 4 for 4 and the only horse to win at the race distance of a mile and 16th. But question the level of competition he’s faced in the CA state bred races." You were correct then and still are. These short fields are proving nothing. I ditto TKS’ recent comment.

Your pre-race analysis included, “Caracortado’s 4 for 4 and the only horse to win at the race distance of a mile and 16th. But question the level of competition he’s faced in the CA state bred races.”

You were correct then and still are. These short fields are proving nothing.

]]> By: The_Knight_Sky http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1060 The_Knight_Sky Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:30:18 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1060 I agree about the Graded Stakes earnings out in California. Let them load up but it <b>is</b> a dirt series that they will be competing for in the springtime. In other words California will continue to be sending horses who are ill-suited for the Triple Crown. I agree about the Graded Stakes earnings out in California. Let them load up but it is a dirt series that they will be competing for in the springtime.

In other words California will continue to be sending horses who are ill-suited for the Triple Crown.

]]> By: Steve http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1058 Steve Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:55:22 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1058 Hi Brian, That's a great point, Munnings clearly isn't his best on the slop. He's done well at 7 furlongs so this should be right up his alley. John Velazquez is in Tampa with Rule though - I guess he doesn't wanna take any chances on someone poaching a Derby mount. Hi Brian,
That’s a great point, Munnings clearly isn’t his best on the slop. He’s done well at 7 furlongs so this should be right up his alley. John Velazquez is in Tampa with Rule though – I guess he doesn’t wanna take any chances on someone poaching a Derby mount.

]]> By: Steve http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1056 Steve Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:32:16 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1056 TKS, Thanks for linking the pp's - very helpful. Re: the CA preps - I tend to agree w/ you. if I had a Derby-worthy horse I'd get him running on dirt asap; but if I only wanted to get graded stakes placed & pick up a check, why not try a 5-horse field in CA. The GP Sprint Championship just leaps out as a great race - for betting and watching. I'm taking a bit of a flyer that Peace Chant is better than he's showed of late - we shall see. TKS,
Thanks for linking the pp’s – very helpful.

Re: the CA preps – I tend to agree w/ you. if I had a Derby-worthy horse I’d get him running on dirt asap; but if I only wanted to get graded stakes placed & pick up a check, why not try a 5-horse field in CA.

The GP Sprint Championship just leaps out as a great race – for betting and watching. I’m taking a bit of a flyer that Peace Chant is better than he’s showed of late – we shall see.

]]> By: Brian Appleton http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1053 Brian Appleton Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:03:07 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1053 Hopefully Munnings doesn't scratch if the track comes up wet, I'm looking forward to seeing if he can regain his winning ways. Hopefully Munnings doesn’t scratch if the track comes up wet, I’m looking forward to seeing if he can regain his winning ways.

]]> By: The_Knight_Sky http://wireplayers.com/blog/1832-saturday-stakes-giving-peace-chant-a-chance.html#comment-1047 The_Knight_Sky Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:27:37 +0000 http://wireplayers.com/blog/?p=1832#comment-1047 That Gulfstream Park Sprint Championship is clearly the best stakes race of the day on Saturday. As for the Robert J. Lewis stakes. Does it not make you wonder that there are too many prep races out there in California on the wrong surface, no less? Whatever the results, I don't think it is going to weigh too heavily on anybody's Derby list. As for the Sam Davis, if Rule gets into a stretch duel like I think he will, he'll be vulnerable to a bounce in his next start. Yes. I'm already looking two races ahead. ;-) Free BRIS pp's for those making up their lists. (117pgs) http://www.courier-journal.com/graphics/2010/derby/tcn0501y.pdf That Gulfstream Park Sprint Championship is clearly the best stakes race of the day on Saturday.

As for the Robert J. Lewis stakes.
Does it not make you wonder that there are too many prep races out there in California on the wrong surface, no less?

Whatever the results, I don’t think it is going to weigh too heavily on anybody’s Derby list.

As for the Sam Davis, if Rule gets into a stretch duel like I think he will, he’ll be vulnerable to a bounce in his next start. Yes. I’m already looking two races ahead. ;-)

Free BRIS pp’s for those making up their lists. (117pgs)

http://www.courier-journal.com/graphics/2010/derby/tcn0501y.pdf

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